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Scotsman
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10/02/2017 6:18 pm  

Im having a hard time understanding how set weight classes for the Div and State meet for middle school is better than the madison system. Now that I read there is a 2 pound allowance that pretty much eliminates the argument that kids are not sucking weight. I think I read there will be weight classes with 18 kids. With the madison system this would equate to 3 more State Champs. I do know that for New Englands there are set weights. The kids who qualify only represent a small percent of our group. I gave up on New England Youth tournament when one of my kids had to wrestle a kid from Mass who wrestled varsity all year back when I was with Salem. 

I do understand you can get caught up riding the youth wrestling wave. I say this all the time. Once you step on HS mat youth wrestling success is almost never revisited.   

There is often talk on how can we grow the sport. Well weight cutting gives the sport a black eye. Don't you think parents when deciding if their kid should wrestle consider weight cutting while deciding. 

Madison system means more Champs and more medals for the kids. Often success at this level is just enough to jump start a great wrestling career. 

Phil Moricone sr. 


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Amack603
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11/02/2017 12:52 am  

Phil,

Not specific to the issues you raise above, I think generally speaking it might be time for new voices on the middle school board. 


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Tim Brown
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11/02/2017 7:11 am  

Phil I can't speak about weight classes vs Madison that came well before me.

I just want to clarify that there is a 1 lb allowance at the end of the year due to kids growing and also the different  scales being used at different locations.

The extra pound for this weekend is due to there being no school today for a few schools. This is consistent with federation rules that we do our best to try and follow.

 

Thanks


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Klombard
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11/02/2017 4:45 pm  

Thanks Phil,

I agree cutting weight is a major problem and it's a problem in Madison system just as much as in the weight division system.  I feel bad for the kids really.  It's a parent thing.  They encourage their kid to do things they shouldn't just to be more competitive at a lower weight grouping.  Sad really.  and this is just one of the issues that make wrestling less attractive to the best athletes in NH.  How about the ridiculous youth tournaments that no kid likes to go to.

I see kids at tournaments all the time that are mysteriously wrestling at 3 pounds to 7 pounds under their healthy weight.

Youth wrestling is just about getting matches for the kid and making an atmosphere he/she enjoys so they will continue in HS.  That's what we need to focus on.  Nobody cares how many medals my kid has in his closet from wrestling in 1st through 8th grade.  We need to focus on improving the sport to attract the best athletes and competition.  


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Mike Hanning
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13/02/2017 8:27 am  

As for doing weight classes, why would we change. This is aligned with New England's and takes the qualifying into account. When you have three kids win states how do you choose who should get seeded first at New England's? Everyone does not need to win a medal. This is not why the sport is not growing.  Also Kids and parents will lose weight regardless of what system we use as a state. I have been involved in youth wrestling for years and I can say that while some kids do lose weight very few abuse it. They are in the minority though, most kids do not lose weight at all.   


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eegeek
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15/02/2017 8:13 pm  

Like others have noted, kids (and parents) that are going to cut will do so no matter the system.  I prefer set weight classes that align with New Englands.

 

I not only favor set weight classes, I would also scrap any reference to grades at the Youth level.  It should be based on birth year plain and simple.  This is how many of the power house wrestling states do it because it makes sense.  The whole reason we separate by age is due to body development and that isn't tied to grade.

G. Krupp


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Klombard
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15/02/2017 9:45 pm  

There is a time and a place for both weight systems.  Glad we have both in NH.  Madison system is great for developing athletes and kids just getting into the sport.

AND THANK YOU for mentioning the age versus grade thing!!  It absolutely should be about age and NOT grade at the youth level.  Bodies are developing so quickly at the 5-8th grade level that it's important to group like aged kids not grade.  Kids get held back for a variety of reasons in school and that shouldn't then give them such a big advantage in youth wrestling.


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Klombard
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30/12/2017 6:14 pm  

Happy new year All,

Just revisiting this thread.

What the kids and parents don't think about is that it doesn't matter what their record as an 8th grade wrestler is, or if they are ranked #1 in the state as a Junior, or that they went 87-13 in high school.  All the records and scores quickly fade away when the young man starts his life and develops a career and family.  What DOES remain with the wrestler regardless of talent is what he learned in wrestling.  The dedication, the hard work, the attention to fitness, the mental focus and the perseverance. People only know you are a wrestler.  The wins and loses are unimportant in the grand scheme of things. This is the message we need to be sending to the kids. How do we get more kids into wrestling? Less individual tournaments, more team oriented events.  Young kids want to be part of a team with friends, not on their own in a gym for 12 hours getting beat by some kid who wrestles year round. The best athletes in the community all play team sports. That's no accident.


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